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ToMTeMoR · Nov 11, 2005, 06:21 AM // 06:21

I think this update is marvellous. It will make people think more when creating farming builds. And lol no farming isn't dead, i already have 2 builds which do not rely on AoE Damage.

Which brings me to another subject. Does Aftershock count as a AoE? It only does damage once?

Tater_Knuts · Nov 11, 2005, 06:21 AM // 06:21

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Do the enemies still attack when they have Empathy and Spiteful Spirit on them? Do spellcasters still whip out spells as fast as possible when they have Backfire on them? Why target, JUST the AoE spells?

This is an excellent point. I took my mesmer out to test. Sure enough, enemies are perfectly happy to take 147 points of damage by casting with backfire on them, but run screaming from my 15 points/sec chaos storm. That makes perfect sense.

EternalTempest · Nov 11, 2005, 06:22 AM // 06:22

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Originally Posted by pcgnus

Again the point. They want people to run, they want us to leave. Less people playing means less bandwidth, bandwidth costs money. Think of it you buy the game for 50$ they have 20$ allocated for bandwidth for your game. You spend months on the game and now you are costing them money.

Hum how do you get users to leave, make a major nerf like this, and walla now the costs are back to normal because new users will never know the difference, only well seasoned users who played the game endlessly.

I for one am think this was a monitary nerf, LETS LOWER THE USER BASE SO OUR COSTS GET BACK IN LINE.

800 thousand users online * X amount for bandwidth
as opposed to
500 thousand online * amount of bandwidth.

Hum sounds like they are making room for the next million copies sold

Disagree again with more in depth reason

In the reports they gave to people that buy stock told them the expect to get a million units sold by the end of the year as an educated guess. They would set up the infrasture to support million this close to the end of the year. The more people play and stay playing = much much better chapter 2 sales.

They have beat there guess and got more money then they expected and can pay for the bandwidth. There part of NCSoft so I highly doubt they are buying stand alone systems at full price. There can use money to expand NCSoft for GW stuff at cheaper price by adding on to the existing infrastructure.

If we started getting lag across the board for everyone I must think about this a reason but still would not beleive they shot themselves in the foot to lose players as the only reason.

(Edit) They would do shotgun to the head by charging for the game and lose people that way and hope to have enough to sustain the infrasture.

kenjiglock · Nov 11, 2005, 06:23 AM // 06:23

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Originally Posted by Servant of None #12

I would like to think I am not "flaming" people. I am getting a bit annoyed at someon in particular trying to insult my friend. Again I say, trying, but not succeeding at it.
But yes, back to topic, I would like this update to be rescinded. I farm legitimately. Someone said somewhere that farming is part of the economy. It is! It gets fresh gold into the system, helping keep prices low by keeping money circulating.
And it's not like I sit there in my mountain, hoarding my gold like Smaug (Tolkien fans enjoy). I make money and get drops. I fairly often give money and drops to my guild so they can get stuff they want, and I don't sell my money on eBay like a sweatshop slave driver, so why are they punishing legitimate farmers who are just earning an honest fake buck?

Sorry, but putting fresh gold into the economy doesnt keep prices down. It just leads to inflation. Prices will be higher the more you farm. As someone said earlier, economics is awesome :-p.

jonnybegood · Nov 11, 2005, 06:26 AM // 06:26

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you didn't hurt my feelings ne.. I was just basically saying that I liked the way my casters or trapper worked.. right now I can't even use cyclone axe cuz they run from it. That isn't fun.. I thought it was challenging enough trying to get through everything past Droknars Forge. But this is just one gamers opinion..

i dont believe cyclone axe was affected by this update.

ToMTeMoR · Nov 11, 2005, 06:27 AM // 06:27

cyclone isn't a aoe... it won't affect them

DeathDealer · Nov 11, 2005, 06:27 AM // 06:27

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Originally Posted by kenjiglock

Sorry, but putting fresh gold into the economy doesnt keep prices down. It just leads to inflation. Prices will be higher the more you farm. As someone said earlier, economics is awesome :-p.

Circulation is what keeps prices down...no circulation=higher prices...

twicky_kid · Nov 11, 2005, 06:27 AM // 06:27

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Originally Posted by ToMTeMoR

I think this update is marvellous. It will make people think more when creating farming builds. And lol no farming isn't dead, i already have 2 builds which do not rely on AoE Damage.

Which brings me to another subject. Does Aftershock count as a AoE? It only does damage once?

the update affects aoe "spells." there are many dmg skills that are not "spells."

pretty much all eles have are spells so it is hitting them hard b/c they rely on the aoe dmg. multiply it by the number of eles in party and it nukes everything in its path.

hint for future farmers (not going to give it away) look to skills that are NOT spells for your aoe dmg. they only flee on spells.

lyra_song · Nov 11, 2005, 06:27 AM // 06:27

Its actually funny...i cast symbol of wrath and follow it up with Bull's Strike!! Hilarious!! Now I can make them run away anytime i want to so i can hit them from behind....Brilliant A.I. Improvement.

Mysterial · Nov 11, 2005, 06:29 AM // 06:29

OK, I'm getting here late, but let's see if I got this straight:

Since the game came out, many many people whined and bitched about how monsters and henchmen (more so henchmen) stand there and take it when duration AoE's are cast on them. Now, they've finally fixed that, as they should because it was rediculous how many battles I've lost due to Alesia standing in Maelstrom or Meteor Shower instead of doing something useful, and now people whine and bitch instead because they can't do much damage with their precious Firestorm - which, news flash, sucked even when the enemy stood in it the whole time. I'm actually hoping that now that that spell and a couple others like it sucks in PvE just as much as in PvP that Arenanet will finally boost the damage.

Oh, and there's the farmers. Here's a news flash for you guys, too: The world does not revolve around you; Arenanet was most likely trying to be the good guys and fix something lots of people complained about and couldn't care less about how it affects your farming either way. Try using a little bit of your brain and figure out a new way to farm instead of crying like spoiled children.

Did I get it all?

I pwnd U · Nov 11, 2005, 06:31 AM // 06:31

not everyone complaning a/b the new aoe update is farmers. some people are legit nukers that worked hard to get there. now they have to scrap that build and start all over. so ya sure farmers wil cry bout it but they will get over it. eles wil be most effected.

Racthoh · Nov 11, 2005, 06:31 AM // 06:31

Concerning the whole farming thing, prehaps if gold had a purpose other than esthetics this update would've made sense. My fissure has no advantage over your droks, your black dyed robe is no better than my red, and my collector sword is just as strong as your fellblade.

Also, Hundred Blades isn't making mobs run from me. The same is true for Galrath Slash and Final Thrust.

Kenect · Nov 11, 2005, 06:32 AM // 06:32

good luck with the quest in pre-searing from elementalist azuire (with firestorm)

EDIT: Oh well my intended nuker just got screwed, looks like it time for pac man

Amused Observer · Nov 11, 2005, 06:32 AM // 06:32

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Originally Posted by unienaule

Just a hint to the UW groups now, weakness is your friend.

And empathy.

Zoolooman · Nov 11, 2005, 06:33 AM // 06:33

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Originally Posted by Aracos79

Seriously... the overreaction is pretty amusing. Adjust, adapt, develop new strategies. Just because you can't "echo nuke" everything in the game now doesn't mean that it's the end of the world.

Let me make this clear.

To all who strawman the anti-patch arguments as a fear of change:

Change is neither inherently good, nor inherently bad, and to assume otherwise is fallacious.

There is nothing good and proper about change and adaptation. Sometimes, things ain't broke and don't need fixin', and other times things are broke and do need fixin'.

This is the former case. Things weren't broke, yet this patch unnecessarily "fixed" an entire class of PvE-oriented attacks. Face it, most area of effect spells are shit. They have huge energy costs, deal minor damage, and take forever to cast and kill. They were only effective because they hit multiple targets, all of which stayed and kept taking damage.

But they aren't effective now. Sure, the cheap AoEs make the enemies move around and waste time, but it's not long before that oversight will be patched, and then what? After that, where will AoE spells be useful? In time, people will realize that there are better ways of dealing damage, most of them involving hexes, conditions, and direct strikes on singular targets. They will abandon the nerfed AoE spells, to the detriment of the game's variety and scope.

In essence, I'm not complaining because I have a negative reaction to change, little skill, low adaptability, or low creativity. I'm complaining because I want to get the most out of this game's design, and by that benchmark this patch is a major step backwards, not forwards. It does not increase the number of useful skills, but instead decreases it, and I think we can all agree that that is not good.

DeathDealer · Nov 11, 2005, 06:33 AM // 06:33

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Originally Posted by I pwnd U

not everyone complaning a/b the new aoe update is farmers. some people are legit nukers that worked hard to get there. now they have to scrap that build and start all over. so ya sure farmers wil cry bout it but they will get over it. eles wil be most effected.

Thank You...I have spent hundreds of hours and lots of hard earned gold to make both of my nukers good...and now its ineffective

Elena · Nov 11, 2005, 06:34 AM // 06:34

and yust when i made a pve echo nuker -cry oh well guess i'l go air muahah

calamitykell · Nov 11, 2005, 06:34 AM // 06:34

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Originally Posted by Kenect

good luck with the quest in pre-searing from elementalist azuire (with firestorm)

haha, I didn't even think of that! But really, lvl 3 Ice Golems? Flare spam. Or Conjure Phantasm spam. Or Banish. Or using Troll Unguent + Power shot.

You don't actually have to use firestorm to kill them all

twicky_kid · Nov 11, 2005, 06:34 AM // 06:34

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Originally Posted by Mysterial

OK, I'm getting here late, but let's see if I got this straight:

Since the game came out, many many people whined and bitched about how monsters and henchmen (more so henchmen) stand there and take it when duration AoE's are cast on them. Now, they've finally fixed that, as they should because it was rediculous how many battles I've lost due to Alesia standing in Maelstrom or Meteor Shower instead of doing something useful, and now people whine and bitch instead because they can't do much damage with their precious Firestorm - which, news flash, sucked even when the enemy stood in it the whole time. I'm actually hoping that now that that spell and a couple others like it sucks in PvE just as much as in PvP that Arenanet will finally boost the damage.

Oh, and there's the farmers. Here's a news flash for you guys, too: The world does not revolve around you; Arenanet was most likely trying to be the good guys and fix something lots of people complained about and couldn't care less about how it affects your farming either way. Try using a little bit of your brain and figure out a new way to farm instead of crying like spoiled children.

Did I get it all?

yup

BBoy_Manchild · Nov 11, 2005, 06:34 AM // 06:34

im not worried about monsters running away from aoe spells, i dont play those chars anyways, my warrior, necro, and ranger are not effected at all.
what i hate is the new AI on henchmen, i prefered when they stood and took aoe over time spells like monkeys suffering from down syndrome, now they run away from aoe spells AND DO NOTHING, they do NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING, take the damage and do something is what i say